Tops all my Glocks, Berrets, Sigs, ARs, AKs etc. 1858 Remington Cap and ball Rolling The thing now runs great, and I enjoy shooting it when I do. Recently heard a story about ASM, that they moved out of the big city to a smaller town in the country. Yup means I cant sell a converted C&B without using an FFL. 1858 remington by armi san marco This article makes me want to buy more guns! 1883 Burgess Manual. Many, many thanks for making this information public. Second, every forum has those who will not allow an absence of knowledge interfere with their conveyance of information. -drop safety-Hammer - Z52747, Lussignoli Renzo W. Moore/ London Reproduction - C53214, A. Uberti & C. Mod.1875 Army Hooray for water! Great writeup of a gun that has been on my list for a while. Youve done a real service to fellow shooters there. He has a bee in his bonnet, that he is the ONLY person in the world who knows how to correctly clean black Powder revolvers. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. Ramrod present. Not really outrage, but an eyeroll for sure. 1873 Single Action Manual. I ended up giving it to an NRA black powder teacher to use for show and tell, (to show his class how to ruin a beautiful piece by not properly cleaning before long term storage). One of the knocks against the 1858 Remington is that the cylinder tends to bind on the cylinder pin as the pistol gets fouled, and Bore Butter, or even some Crisco, helps keep that cylinder turning smoothly all day long. Johnnie Roper. I havent shot black powder in a long time. BLUED BARREL SHOWS SMALL AREA OF PATINA ON LEFT ADJACENT TO RECEIVER. Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver Thanks for giving some info on the handgun side of the black powder world. ", Colt cap-and-ball revolvers usually dont [have] safety notches.. I would advise ANYONE beginning Black Powder Revolver Shooting, do NOT ever buy the Colt Style Guns, and steer WELL AWAY, from any Cap &Ball Revolver that has a Brass Frame! Some, like Traditions would rather just to volume and dont seem to be very demanding of quality. Plain walnut grips. Ive been pretty satisfied with Clean Shot sub, and it smokes a lot less and produces significantly less fouling. Bore and chambers in very good+ $395.00 Add to Cart Compare Pietta Remington Percussion - C55996 FEMALE PEOPLE, Riding into the sunset in a living room near you, Tusco Long Riders, Brown Township Regulators, Firelands Peacemakers, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Indiana Black Powder Guild, Bayou Bounty Hunters, Deadwood Marshals, Border Vigilantes, Damascus Wildlife Rangers, Thurmont Rangers, Westshore Posse, Monocacy Illregulars, Potomac Rangers, Cedar Valley Vigilantes, Granite City Gunslingers, Chorro Valley Regulators, Home of The John Wayne Shoot-Out now The SASS Western Regional, The ORIGINAL Pozo River Vigilance Committee, Tejas Caballeros, Texican Rangers, Green Mountain Regulators, Plum Creek Shooting Society, Chorro Valley Regulators, Pozo River Vigilence Committee, piru hole in wall, deadwood boys and ojai desperados, Firelands Peacemakers,Tusco Long Riders, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Sandusky Regulators, Brown Twp. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. WebArmi San Marco Black Powder Revolvers Remington 1858 Army & Navy Parts List Sort by: Show Available 0 Schematic w/ Parts List 1 Barrel 2 Barrel Stud 3 Loading Lever Latch 4 Loading Lever Latch Spring 5 Latch Pin 6 Loading Lever 7 Loading Lever Link Pin 8 Loading Lever Link 9 Plunger 12 Loading Lever Screw 13 Base Pin 14 Cylinder 16 Bolt 17 FOOD, One can shoot all day on a pittance. Ryw, they sued, but I thought it was because "people would see PeaceKEEPER and think it was a PeaceMAKER". THE BRIGHT BLUING IS EVEN THROUGHOUT. My 1858 is an Uberti model previously owned by a North-South Skirmish Association member. thereof. FINISH SHOWS LIGHT FADING WITH LIGHT HIGH-EDGE WEAR. Action functions fine., s/n 0181xx. ASM 1858 1863 pocket I did not grease the shutgun one time and thought to fire it last. I had the same problem. My question is, How close to the Old Army is this Pietta 1858 New Army .44 cal? Some were mentioning movies in which the Remington 1858 made an appearance. I took to to a gunshop that has a lot of cowboy guns. The cylinders are pricey, it cost as much as the gun, but I have gotten over the price and enjoy the heck out of shooting and reloading 45s. WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) Remington 1858 Armi San Marco I have replacements now, but I keep it around as a back-up. All of the Pietta replicas I have are fantastic, and they were all sourced from the same supplier (see last paragraph). Some shot high except a .36 Army San Marco Colt 1851 Navy. Dont ever get law and logic mixed up; they have nothing in common. Snapped back so hard the hammer tore a chunk of meat from my thumb. Hot water dissolves the salts in black powder fouling and heats the metal so it dryes fast and prevents flash rust. 1885 Low Wall Manual. How interchangeable are Uberti gun parts 1860 Henry Manual. Tsk tsk. To date I have only had two minor issues with it: - 1) the firing pin retainer had to tapped in a bit as dragged on the frame very mildly, local smith fixed that in 2 seconds. Retail $300. It has a central shotgun barrel (16 gauge? I can put up to 60 grains into each chamber, though I usually use 40. THE NICKLE PLATED FINISH IS GENERALLY EXCELLENT WITH A SPOT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE GRIP STRAP SHOWING DISCOLORATION. Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858 If were arbitrarily going to pick a time period of weaponry that makes you a true hunter, lets go caveman. Remington. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. Black Powder Revolver Manual. I have a Uberti 1847 Walker. Retail $300. Not part of Uberti in any wayexcept by marriage. The bucks are off limits. 1873 Single Action Manual. The Kirst conversion is named after probably the most famous cinematic example of the 1858 Remington rapid cylinder change, the final gunfight from Clint Eastwoods Pale Rider. Modern Reproduction A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. 1860 Henry Manual. A great design of a pistol. Claimed copyright infringement. If the shooter was a little rough with the gun, and dropped the hammer into the Half Cock Notch, the tip of the trigger could break off, radically altering the sight picture. Got one of each. Howell Conversions - GATED 1858 Remington Pietta .45 LC. But, since we don't spin in SASS, it's not a problem I worry about. and they sent me a Pietta trigger which fit just fine. 1866 Rifle Manual. Plain walnut grips. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Nicks a real tech wizard. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. Blued finish, brass triggerguard, with walnut grips. I often find them employed at LGS and they are a good resource. Allen then started Western Arms which became Allen Arms, and then to Cimarron. The conversion cylinders are also not regulated, so you can get all of those you want and no one has any record of it.. I have owned a dozen or more 1860 Army copies. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. Fine review with everything that makes a gun review great: guns, history and guns. REcoil is essentially nonexistent. Type: Revolver. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. Any help would be appreciated. THINNING VISIBLE ON BARREL NEAR MUZZLE. Im 75, so I move a bit slower than earlier today. Also, ASM use forged frames instead of castings on many of their revolvers.Replica Arms of El Paso, TX was started by L.F. Allen. Though the guns be identical, the first is free of any legal imcumberance, while the second has an FFL holder and a waiting period to deal with. what ever happen to "army san marcos" guns ? I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). Black powder works best when it is compressed. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. Armi San Marco manufacturer overview Grand Army /Frontier What size/type primers are best? Armi San Marco and Armi Sport now Chiappa are two different companies. On a Remington 1858, all you have to do is flip down the loading lever, pull the cylinder pin forward, and ECCO! Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 It was a great pointer and very accurate. Some folks claim doing so helps prevent chain fires, or all the cylinders going off at once. 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Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. Armi San Marco manufacturer overview THE 44-40; 98% blue, excellent bore, excellent+ grips, 5 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUCTION OF A REMINGTON MODEL 1875 ARMY REVOLVER IN EXCELLENT OVERALL CONDITION. Not to mention that shooting 58 Remington reproduction is just an absolute hoot. I also had 2 spare cylinders. Original blued finish, case colored frame, brass trigger guard and backstrap. One of these has been on my list of stuff to get for a long, long time. 1873 Rifle Manual. what ever happen to "army san marcos" guns I am a bit of a traditionalist so I have 50-50 lard-beeswax that I put on cylinder after loading; cleaning is easy with hot water and Ballistol. A.S.M Remington 1858 I just purchased an ASM replica of a 1858 Remington 44 and was wondering if anyone had any information about it. The 1858 Remington-Beals got the nod because of the top strap (previous buy didnt, Navy in .36) and it came with an extra cylinder. Armi San Marco first started making a Colt 1873 replica in the middle 1980s. BORE IS GOOD WITH GOOD 36 Caliber; 60% blue, fair bore, good grips, 5'' barrel, REPRODUCTION OF 1851 NAVY REVOLVER. ROFL, So nice to read about black powder stuff here. Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858 They fit just about any cap and ball firearm. My first BP was a 1861 Colt Navy in .36. However, I am 99% sure this is an Armi San Marco because my Armi San Marco cylinders cycle, time and lock perfectly in this pistol and The Beals model came earlier, then the Old Model Army/Navy, and, finally, the new Model. Thats not meat harvesting. While the patent date of this gun was in 1858, actual production didnt start till after 1861 or so, I think 62. I have a spare cylinder in the LC so I can keep shooting just by swapping the cylinders. (#% or 40 grains.) All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. Armi San Marco 1858 They now make a 92 rifles, but it does function better than the old ASM 92's. He sent it back twice because of some minor issues, but its a nice gun for ~$200. He then shoots it. Old South Firearms, LLC Armi San Marco is still making guns and they are known for making guns with bad workmanship. I also have an open top revolver and an 1873 rifle that are Uberti. WW II RIBBON USS SAN MARCOS LSD-25 NAVY*EMBROIDERED POLO SHIRT/SWEAT/JACKET. The Cleanest Clean Its Ever Been! I wipe off the parts of the frame with a water dampened rag, to get fouling off the frame, hammer, and the slot in the recoil shield whre the hammer goes through to strike the cap, then use a lightly oiled rag to go over the same places! ASM was so bad, even ASM parts seldom fit. Im 66 years old and I have been wanting to get a 1858black powder for a while now but because I live in Illinois I cant get no one to order me one . My dad of course saw them when they were new. If youre not lucky, then youve got a tear in your femoral artery and only a few minutes to stop the bleeding before youre introduced to Eliphalet Remington at that great gun factory in the sky. swap out ok between the same model like the 1860 Army? WebThat isn't going to be the case with the Italian replicas, but more often than not the answer is easily found stamped on the revolver. It required something Long and thin, preferably with a hook at its end, to fish the Mashed and Mangled remains of the cap, out of the Innards of the gun, before Battle could once more be joined! In 1993, the Hartford line was introduced by E.M.F. Grips in very good condition, brass trigger guard 44 Caliber; 94% blue, very good bore, good grips, 9'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUCTION OF A COLT 1847 WALKER PERCUSSION REVOLVER. By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. Click on the "Full Description" fore more info. It blew LaHood through a windowyumm. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. I had a Peacekeeper ASM and also a Longhorn in .45, never had trouble with them but I didn't have them very long, I sold them and bought my first Colt! WebASM Hammer (1858) Check Stock Price US$38.50 Quantity Item 2 Code 111ASM002 Description Asm Hammer (1863 Pocket) Check Stock Price US$24.20 Quantity Item 3 Gun Review: 1858 Remington Then you must like AWA Peacekeepers (made by Armi San Marco), right? The other was a blued adjustable-sight Old Army that was just sheer round-ball hilarious to shoot. I carry a Sheriffs Model for Self Defense, every day! With 20 grains, it shoots like a charm, so much so that Ive never loaded it any heavier. Just my opinion. Bah! ; 98% blue, excellent bore, excellent+ grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUTION OF A COLT 1872 OPEN TOP REVOLVER IN EXCELLENT+ CONDITION. Actually percussion caps come in different sizes. Most of the pieces are in a ziploc bag saved for what purpose I don't know. Blued finish, brass triggerguard, with walnut grips. That's your build date. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of They were in a nut shell, junk. One was an early 50s bolt-action Savage Sporter in .25-20, which would do everything at 125 yards you could reasonably expect from a good .22 at 50. Fine. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Grips The Pistol was so designed, that the hammer when cocked, would suck back with it, the remnants of the cap just fired, which more often than not, would follow the principle of Gravity, so ably demonstrated by Sir Isaac Newton, and fall into the Yawning Gap, the cocked hammer revealed, So when the trigger was pressed for the next shot, there would be a sort of, Scrunch, sound, as the cap was chewed up and mashed by the falling hammer, effectivley jamming the revolver! Yesterday i shot my 1858 Remington 44 cap and ball that was my great grandfathers service revolver that he carried in the Civil War.He fought in Bull run the second Manassas battle and them on to Gettysburg His name was Thomas H Bourke. -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52780, A. Uberti & C. 1872 Open Top It was the Top Overall prize at a shoot in NM about 1993. Nice! Did you wash it in kitchen sink? Exc condition, appears unfired. Loved the pics too. BRASS TRIGGER GUARD / GRIP ASSEMBLY. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & DO use a stout load. New in Box-never fired. The Remington-Beals as it was called back then came into its own with the onset of the Civil War. And you thought the New York reload was a modern invention? Rolling In 1993, the Hartford line was introduced by E.M.F. Minor handling dings - see photos Standard 8" octagon barrel. My very first Cap & Ball Revolver was replica of aaan1860 Colt Army Revolver. The last line about being used since before the civil war is technically inaccurate. I have two ASM revolvers, both were imports thru EMF. ASM Remington 1858 Replica .44 Cap This version features improved accuracy. The conversion cylinders are also not regulated, so you can get all of those you want and no one has any record of it. I found Uberti cap & call cylinders a drop-in fit in both Uberti and Colt 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen Navies and Armies. If you are using a big bore handgun, the little 22 seems like a free party. I have a LeMat replica, fine in every way except the rammer being a piss poor design, and the two-mode hammer not working well in shotgun position. WebThat isn't going to be the case with the Italian replicas, but more often than not the answer is easily found stamped on the revolver. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. Max load? Brass front sight, notched hammer rear sight. 44 Caliber; 85% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN VERY GOOD CONDITION. And thats part of the beauty of cap-and-ball revolvers; you can vary the powder charge any time you wantlight loads for plinking, and heavy loads for whatever. oops! THE FRAME AND HAMMER RETAINS APPROX 90% OF THEIR COLORS.. Armi San Marco 1858 Changes were made in the production guns to make sure they could not be passed off as an original. Or something like that. 1858 remington by armi san marco 5.5" barrel in .45 Colt. Their SAA's are a good example. I loaded it to Piettas speck of 15 grains, and the ball didnt make it past the forcing cone. Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping. the 1858 is Lee van Cleefs gun in Good, bad and the ugly. On clening, dont whatever you do mention water, on a web site run by some guy named John Fuhring. Number of bids and bid amounts may be slightly out of date. Jim, you mentioned the Ruger Old Army , 44 cal. It was like 1-2 years before they went out of businnes. Not only is that the right way to hunt, deer that go down fast and clean taste better. http://www.1858remington.com, a.k.a. ). But Civil War rifled muskets were lethal out to 300, so I have to question such a claim. I shot ASM 58's in my early years. View Item in Catalog Lot #242 (Sale Order: 241 of 708) Sold for: $120.00 to F****b "Tax, Shipping & Handling and Internet Premium Its trigger was lightened for target use, so its ridiculously easy to fire. Java, from Plymouth MA. There is some variability between brands of caps as well as manufacture of nipples. Can anyone tell me a good load to start? Ihave been thinking about getting one of these for a while, I have a question. Treat he hammer with the same respect you treat the trigger. If you want to make a guy worth killing, this should do it. I have an ASM Colt clone. Pour boiling water down the barrel, than put a couple of dry patches down there, and your bore will be like the detergent advert! Fingers on triggers, especially that Civil War vet. The grips were too thin to get a good grip of. 44 BP; excellent bore, good grips, 8'' barrel, Made in Italy. The patent date is 1858. The rifle is the best looking gun in my collection, even better than my Henry. All year long he trains the deer to come to his corn feeder. On opening day he is in his blind and simply waits for a really good buck to come along. Didn't Colt threaten to sue ASM because of they're use of a "pony" on the grip? My advice is to buy the gun and cylinder, forget that the combination will cost about the same as a modern revolver and enjoy the heck out of it. Ill stick to smokeless powder firearms from now on (because Im lazy!). A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. Ive made it a long way by doing what CSMs tell me to do, so I shoot it at least once a month. I've thought I might make a lamp out of it one day. I am planning on getting one for my Grandson and maybe one for my Granddaughter. I am very pleased with what i got. Parts are still available on a limited basis from VTI. The Colts often did have short safety pins at the back of the cylinder which could be engaged with the notch in the hammer nose, to accomplish exactly the same thing however. A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. Dont touch it unless the gun is pointing in a safe direction cause there is is no transfer bar. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. SOLD The bad guy carries a Peacemaker (a bit earlier than its actual appearance, but what the hell, it aint a documentary) (Said to have claimed his last victem by shooting him twice, skinning him and nailing his hid on the livery stable door! I had a few ASMs in the very early days. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Years ago ASM had some fine artisans..the guns were good.ASM was under the direction of the Son in Law of Aldo Uberti. While the Colt has been called the Peacemaker forever, I don't think Colt ever used the name. Had a cowboy smith smooth the internals so they dont chew each other up.ook mighty sweet in a pair of El Paso Saddlery crossdraw Slim Jims. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years. Thank God I did not shoot my dog that had to have 62 stitches. armi san marco WOW , thanks for the history , I do see parts ,lighter springs even cylinders for these guns BUT not with the ASM manufacture ,parts are crossed to gun type like "1851 navy" ,would one say theres a strong chance they would work in ASM brand "1851 navy" ? Please click Accept Cookies to continue to use the site. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why THE BLUING SHOWS A FEW LIGHT SCRATCES AND DINGS BUT IS VERY NICE. Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. Blued finish, plain walnut grips. ASM Remington 1858 Replica .44 Cap The strong top-strap design, the ease of swapping cylinders and the safety notches are all reasons why so many modern cap-and-ball shooters still turn to Fordyce Beals design. First, only one person had the cutoff date right; it is 1998 / 99. Keep both of these straight, and the possibility that someone (like me, maybe) just might make a mistake, so on your own, do some research on it , At first we never know which is which , but it doesnt take long to figure it out. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. Got a pair of Ubertis, one stainless and one blue (Thunder and Lightning). I have a used stainless Army San Paolo 1858 Remington that I got off Gunbroker several years ago and still havent fired it. WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester Like this guy. Youd use either #10 or #11, the 11s being the larger. Thanks Dan. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). If a conversion cylinder (to shoot black powder cowboy loads) The open top revolver needed some work. Nothing wrong with meat harvesting or game management, says a fellow Texan. Friends (very few of them) are welcome to spend the night on the sofa, be on the back porch at sunrise, and harvest a doe with his thanks. Cimarron Thunderer and He examined the gun and proclaimed it one of the good ones and made me a really good offer that I applied to a like new in box NMV. Of course it is one of the old ones which may be the reason. ASM was one of the first Italian manufacturers back in 1960 along with Uberti. I haven't had a lick of trouble out of it, other than losing the ejector housing screw. The safety notch feature makes it easy to safely carry a fully-loaded 1858 Remington. I had not planned to involve myself in another topic, but there was so much conflicting information about what guns do and do not require involvement of the BATF. To sum up, if you want a gun that you can use for Years, Pass it onto your Son, or maybe even your Grandson, buy a steel framed Remington Style Revolver from Either Pietta, or A.Uberti & Son, and with due care and respect, the gun will last several lifetimes! WOODEN GRIPS ARE 44 Caliber; 95% blue, near mint bore, near mint grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION 1858 NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN NEAR MINT CONDITION. Once a year I strip them right down to the last screw, wipe the mixture of oil and black powder residue off them,(Never found any rust!)