If you are really interested in finding out about my poor experiences with the IFB please read the website rather than make assumptions. Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. Independent Baptist - Wikipedia You seem to enjoy copying and pasting scripture with no explanation or apparent relevance to the discussion so I thought Id give it a try also. 2 Corinthians 2:10 is a guideline not a command. Did I have to marry him because I forgave him? I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian If you think that mental health issues (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.) ), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 41. If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. N/A On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. I assure you that Im living exactly how God wants me to be living and Im doing it outside of the IFB (yes it can be done LOL). Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. I do think that you can drink but you just cant be drink which is a legalistic problem within most Independent Fundamental Baptists. 7 You hypocrites! I was taught that I needed to let God change him. Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? 23. I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child If your church funnels in inner city kids via a bus ministry, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 24. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? Thats sweet. I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. I dont agree with this because there is nothing wrong with going to college. Stil fit. You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. N/A Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. Can God heal if it be his will yes he can. I believe being separate is doing what God has commanded you to do. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. Scofield Bible!!!! 14. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The two are completely unrelated. First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friends eye. 36. Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 What do Fundamental Baptists believe Its method of operation is subversive. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Their testimony is great Im sure they won more people to the lord than you. Attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved There are so many churches that claim the be the one, true, church, especially the Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Anglicans, some Lutherans, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, etc. We believe the Blessed Hope of our Lord's return is literal, personal, visible, imminent, premillennial, and pretribulational. And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. Matthew 6:14-15 I have no belief, opinion, or position of this Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. 24. Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. However, it wasnt Baptists that ordained him and of the IFB folks I know, they are lukewarm to the Scofield bible. More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! WebActs 15:36,41; 16:5; I Corinthians 16:1; Galatians 1:1-3; Revelation 1:4, 10, 11. You can read some of them in the comments section and in the testimonial section here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. But I did want to let you know that although some ifb churches may not be the best it doesnt make us a cult. Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. Im not IFB but I still believe in tithes and offerings. LOL. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. Our pastor dont take any credit he passes praise the church gives to him towards God. Church membership is a necessary privilege for believers who follow Christ. If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. For which is more importantthe gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower. WebWARNING!!!! However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. N/A I agree that God can use anything and anyone to reach people, but I can guarantee that the IFB has ulterior motives. 2. That makes no sense. Care to elaborate, provide examples? 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) God cant forgive you if Jesus didnt save you. These are not sacraments to earn salvation, but privileges granted by grace. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. We even have TWO. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? You are falling right in line with what they want someone who will robotically obey them. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. What is a Fundamental Independent Baptist Church 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. They all work together. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? The pastor pointed out (over the course of his long 2 hour sermon LOL) that a shepherd doesnt use a rod and staff to beat his sheep but to prod and guide them. The IFB are Pharisees of our day. The New Testament church should be an independent church. OK That list just brought back memories that I can thankfully laugh at now. Wow. For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. Does the lord convict me when I miss? I must put it in Jesus Christ. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If you believe that perfection is something to strive for and/or attain this side of heaven,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. Everyone has sent in their life. Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. Also God commands us to try the spirits to see if they are of God that implies God gave us the power of discernment 1 John 4: 1-5. Come and join. I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. I dont deserve Gods forgiveness or even my husbands forgiveness. Due to the nature of the churches being independentin their autonomy, a percentage of what is believed, practiced or condemned by Independent Baptists (or IndependentFundamental Baptists, or Bible Believing Baptists, or IndependentBible Believing Baptists, or Unaffiliated Baptists, or Unaffiliated IndependentBaptists - just to There I am separate does that mean Im never going to curse, or think negative thoughts. If you have others please feel free to share in the comments section, 1. Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. His son a child murderer. If you attend a church that has a team of men who are charged with keeping an attendance count each Sunday, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 43. Also, please scroll up for additional information regarding your objections which Ive responded to ad nauseam. If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. He is the Head of the church. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. I love devotions with the Lord. WebThe 1920 Baptist Fundamentals declared, The fundamental principle of the Baptists, in common with many other evangelicals, has always been the gospel, which is the essence I dont agree with the term, sowing discord with the brethren because I agree everything what the Bible teaches. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. You should read my article on that: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, Dont get me wrong but tithing is still scriptural, even within the New Testament. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. They are counting on your service and tithe. Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. G.F.F. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23), All born-again believers have the privilege of direct access to God. There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. Why wouldnt I stand up for something I believe in? He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. They had made an idol out of church attendance. Wow, nice list. I have no position or opinion of this Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. The last pastor I had, at Mountain, would yell sometimes on his sermons to make sense of humor since most of his sermons were pretty funny but never pounded the pulpit. Most people find it hard to swallow that anyone really thinks that way at all. No denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. If Just As I Am causes you to repent and go to the altar, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. Find a Church | IndependentBaptist.church I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. I must forgive others the same way God forgave me. Im still separate I have just decided to sin. If you believe that stateaccreditationfor a college is bad because it means that the government dictates what that college can/does teach,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 30. As far as tithing is concerned, the people who do tithe, it should be because they tithe because they want to. From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. I dont believe my husband was the only one hurting the relationship. That apparently is what Christ would do. [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. I want to respond to your #30. I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. An independent Baptist Missionary (24 years in Romania) has posted a site The Laymans Biblical Handbook. More than 200 doctrines at http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/ As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. Only the KJV will be used in this group; We ARE the church my friend! No, but I wanted to send the rest of my life with him. How will you escape the judgment of hell? Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. Those myths are addressed in my article: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, I dont need to wait. That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. Yes, we have strife and faults and hypocrites. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. No, because thats not Gods will. 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